What Bristol Palin is telling us about evangelicals

Without ever intending to do so, the soon-to-be-married daughter of Governor Palin has allowed the evangelical community to re-introduce itself to the rest of America.  How much the rest of America is willing to listen remains to be seen.

I’ll admit, after I first heard of Bristol’s pregnancy, the political calculator started to whirr, and I didn’t like what it spit out.  I was worried about the reaction of religious conservatives.  As the blog title shows, I don’t call myself a conservative at all, in no small part because I don’t wish to go back to a past that I consider to be far more checkered than many (but not all) conservatives realize.  I am also far more skeptical of government preserving “traditional values” – especially when it’s so busy actively destroying them.

Thus, religious conservatives and I – while agreeing on many issues – do so from very different philosophies and political angles.  In many respects, I understand my political opponents more than many of my own allies.  It was in this relative ignorance that my fear of religious conservatives turning their nose up at Governor Palin was grounded.

I couldn’t have been more wrong.  Cathouse Chat has all the details, but the evangelical community is far more in the world and aware of human frailty that outsiders (including even yours truly) recognize.  Of course, they were thrilled that Ms. Palin would become a mother and a wife, but there has been no anger or haughtiness at the pregnancy itself.  Instead, the rest of America is finding a community that has seen several of these things before – and like the rest of us – is doing its best to support the family in question when they are able and it is appropriate.

Voters may never see evangelicals the same way again.  The blinders of our various prejudices our gone.  The only question now is how many of my fellow Americans will join me and open their eyes.

24 Responses to “What Bristol Palin is telling us about evangelicals”

  1. Susie Says:

    The reality is there are probably more families on both sides of the political spectrum where a family member has a baby out of wedlock, then there are who haven’t experienced this. Whether you could care less, whether you are shocked and horrified by it, and I imagine most of us are somewhere in between, who hasn’t been touched by this? I think I’m pretty average and my gut reaction is sympathy, not judgment. Any one of us could be in the same boat with Sex Ed, or without it. Teenage pregnancy happens.

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  3. Kat Says:

    DJ, thanks so much for the link!

    Yes, evangelicals are people too – we make mistakes and commit sins just like everyone else. But one thing we have returned to is the grace and forgiveness of God; I think we are really trying to learn to live that our in our own lives more.

    It is a hard balance to maintain, sometimes, however. We need to hold the line on what is right and wrong – but we can’t become frigidly legalistic about it. On the other hand, we need to live and practice forgiveness and grace – but we can’t become slack and permissive. Sometimes we lean too far one way, and sometimes too far the other.

    Thank God that He has given us the wisdom to get it right this time.

  4. James Atticus Bowden Says:

    DJ: Evangelicals are commanded to be salt and light in the world. Not of the world, but in the world. The second greatest commandment is to love others – unconditionally.

    Thanks for your post, but the Liberals won’t get it. The venom in their words is the overflow of their heart.

    You need to come visit and set a spell if you didn’t know this side of Evangelicals, or visit more folks where you live – like 1 CD former SCC rep Dennis Lister’s church outside of Fredericksburg.

  5. arugulagulag Says:

    James ATticus Bowden, that’s a cute characterization of “the Liberals” you got going there.

    “I’d love everyone but DAMN THOSE LIBERALS WOULD MAKE IT EASIER BURNING IN A PIT OF FIRE FOR ALL ETERNITY good golly that feels better I’m gonna go judge some people.”

    I’m very proud of evangelicals for rallying behind Sarah. There’s a part of me that thinks it’s only because she’s a conservative politician, but I’m going to believe that there’s a few things they can still get right.

    I mean come on, Sarah used to be an Alaskan secessionist; we don’t need to bring her family into this. Heh.

  6. ncarnes Says:

    Great post. I blogged about a similar subject today. If all of the news is to try and smear the Palin’s amongst the “Christian Community” the effort is failing big time and in reality the secularist definitely don’t care. The only ones who are raising their voice are those directly opposed to Sarah Palin and her values.

  7. rightwingliberal Says:

    Oooh, nice try arugulug. One problem, though, Palin’s been a registered Republican her whole life (well, since she could vote).

  8. arugulagulag Says:

    So was Ron Paul and he’s full-bore crazy every-man-is-an-island Libertarian. The letter next to your name does not dictate beliefs. The “Heh” was meant as a sarcastic aside. The left has been having a hell of a time getting anything to stick ever since bizarre smear tactics have apparently become the method of winning elections, so I’d like to see someone at least try to paint her with the AIP brush and avoid the stupid family stuff. It leaves a foul taste in my mouth.

    I think someone who runs the term “family values” into the ground as though you can pass a law that makes it so everyone has to be a white suburbanite nuclear family in black and white pictures has opened the door to having his or her personal life put under scrutiny, in practice I’d rather avoid punditry and do my best to keep debate substantive. It’s hard to do ever since liberal somehow became a bad word, and how we manage to get called baby killers by the political party of literally dropping huge bombs on foreign babies I will never know.

  9. rightwingliberal Says:

    Sigh.
    Look, I don’t normally give the opposition advice, but false AIP accusations will get you nowhere. Try focusing on the Repubs she annoyed. There all over this space.

    Also, try not to assume we’re a monolith on “family values.” No one is demanding a pigmentation removal (I have two cousins who would be deepy unhappy with me if I did); most of us would just prefer the government stop destroying traditional values. We can debate its effectiveness in preserving them (and I, for one, am skeptical) later.

    Finally, liberal is no dirty word here. You did see the titie, right?

  10. arugulagulag Says:

    I figured you were being ironic, like my title. I can reconcile some weird things but I’m not quite sure what a right wing liberal is.

    It would be inaccurate to call me “opposition” since my voice is about as small as my red state vote and I’m not in the habit of accepting advice from anybody because I’m… just like that.

    What exactly does the government do to destroy family values? Isn’t it up to tradition and, well, family, to teach and spread that stuff? I just never got the whole “Christian Nation” thing since it seems founded on pride and chest-beating beyond anything else.

  11. morsec0de Says:

    I think more than anything else this strikes at the heart of Palin’s “abstinence only” opinions.

    We can assume that Gov. Palin taught her daughter abstinence only. The crux of the argument, I imagine, is that abstinence only is better than other sex education and leads to less teen pregnancies.

    Her daughter is now a large hunk of evidence (and there is more) that this political position is incorrect. And yet we don’t see Gov. Palin reevaluating her position.

    Which tells me more about her than anything else.

    Bristol Palin made a mistake, and she should not be overtly punished for it. But if her mother’s policies are taken nation wide, it seems, more and more girls will end up falling into the same mistake. That, I think, is the issue.

  12. rightwingliberal Says:

    “We can assume that Gov. Palin taught her daughter abstinence only . . .”

    Oh you can, can you? Were you there?

    This is exactly the sort of ignorance that has come to the fore over the last few days. You have no idea what Governor Palin told her daughter – none. You’re just assuming evangelicals are one massive monolith.

    Why is it only lefties get to be bigots?

  13. morsec0de Says:

    How am I a bigot?

    How is it NOT safe to assume that a woman who promotes abstinence only would also teach her own daughter abstinence only? It would be silly to assume otherwise.

    And if she didn’t teach her daughter abstinence only, doesn’t that make her a hypocrite? (I’m seriously asking for your opinion here.)

  14. rightwingliberal Says:

    What she wishes to do with taxpayer money and what she may or may not mention to her child are two entirely different things.

    The personal is NOT political with us. You guys need to figure that out or you’ll never understand who we are and why we do what we do (that’s right-wingers in general, not evangelicals, of which I am not one).

    Moreover, even if your assumptions are correct (and that’s if), the plural of anecdotes is not data – and the data on abstinence-only is, at worst, inconclusive.

    As for the bigotry comment, that was more aimed at the Palin Derangement Syndrome folks in general. You’re clearly a step or two above that. Apologies for the misperception.

  15. morsec0de Says:

    “What she wishes to do with taxpayer money and what she may or may not mention to her child are two entirely different things.”

    I don’t think so.

    Just look at the alternatives:

    1. She taught her daughter about safe sex…birth control, condoms, etc. That indicates that she lacked faith in the policy of abstinence only. If abstinence only is supposed to be the correct policy, it should be good for everyone, should it not?

    2. She taught her daughter only about abstinence. The fact that her daughter is now pregnant indicates that, at the least, abstinence only education does not work for some children and, at the most, is not effective at all.

    “The personal is NOT political with us.”

    Who is ‘us’? I’m not familiar with you personally, so I can’t speak to this. But I agree, the personal should not be political. But when one expresses a political opinion, and that political opinion is refuted by something personal, then that person should be expected to reevaluate their position. If they don’t, then I have serious problems with them as a candidate. And that goes for anyone.

    “the plural of anecdotes is not data”

    I have data, from Texas, an abstinence only state:

    “Texas had the nation’s highest birth rate among teenagers ages 15 to 19 in 2004, according to a newly released study of children’s health. The Kids Count study, which is updated annually by the Annie E. Casey Foundation in Baltimore, said the Texas rate of 63 births per 1,000 teens remained the same from 2003 to 2004″

    http://www.physorg.com/news104658683.html

    A few years ago, certainly, but there is more recent data as well. And what appears to be the trend is the abstinence ONLY does not help. Abstinence plus same sex education does.

  16. morsec0de Says:

    Hahah…excuse me. Abstinence plus SAFE sex education.

  17. rightwingliberal Says:

    Hey, of all the typos scattered across the blogosphere, that’s one of the best!

  18. morsec0de Says:

    Isn’t it just? hahaha :)

  19. nearlynormalized Says:

    No sex education, no birth control, no discussing of sex in any way. Brave new world we are about to enter in the Palin manner. Is it a child of God or Immaculate Deception?

  20. rightwingliberal Says:

    Wow. The worms are busy today. Waht rock did I trip over?
    BTW, morse, this guy is what I meant by bigotry.

  21. morsec0de Says:

    bigot: A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding state of mind.

    intolerant: Not tolerant; close-minded about new or different ideas. indisposed to tolerate contrary opinions or beliefs; impatient of dissent or opposition; denying or refusing the right of private opinion or choice in others; inclined to persecute or suppress dissent.

    I certainly fit some of those definitions, but not all of them.

  22. rightwingliberal Says:

    No, no, no, morse. Not you – the abnormal guy.

  23. morsec0de Says:

    I know. But I can be introspective, can’t I?

  24. rightwingliberal Says:

    Oh, of course you can!

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